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What's So Wrong With A Nuclear Iran?
Nissim Dahan , Baltimore: Apr 25 2009
Made Popular Apr 27 2009
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What's So Wrong With A Nuclear Iran?

On the face of it, it may be possible to make a reasonable case for Iran’s right to develop nuclear weapons. After all, Iran is an independent nation, and as such, should have the right to self-determination. If Iran perceives a threat from its enemy, Israel for example, which does possess nuclear weapons; shouldn’t she have the right to counter that threat with a nuclear arsenal of her own? Why should Israel be singled out as the one state in the Middle East that is allowed to have a nuclear weapons capability? Why should Iran be denied the national pride that comes from joining the league of nations which have achieved nuclear capability?

And of course, some of the leaders in Iran may have come to conclusion that the development of a nuclear bomb may bring with it some other benefits as well. A nuclear capability of this sort may be a good defense against outside interference. For example, a lot of people are doing a lot of talking against North Korea, but you don’t see anyone doing anything about it. Why? Perhaps because North Korea has entered the privileged circle of nuclear nations.

Saddam Hussein had no such capability and look what happened to him. And a nuclear weapons capability would also be a good insurance policy against internal dissent. If the local population gets a bit too rowdy, the clamp of repression can easily be brought down hard, especially if there is little risk of outside interference. And if Iran wants to spread her influence throughout the region, what better way to be taken seriously than to keep a nuclear arsenal in your back pocket?

So given all these good reasons for allowing a nuclear Iran, why should countries like Israel or the U.S. even bother to try to block it, especially considering the risks implicit in taking Iran’s nuclear facilities out? After all, any attempt to take military action against these nuclear facilities would bring with it a whole host of problems on the perpetrators: a vicious campaign of unbridled terror activity, extreme condemnation in the region and beyond, military reprisals, an upsurge of fanaticism, an oil embargo and/or disruption of the oil supply, etc. And it is precisely the recognition of the price to be paid, that keeps Western countries somewhat paralyzed in their attempts to neutralize the threat of a nuclear Iran. There is a lot of talk, even as we speak, but so far not a whole lot of action.

So given the risks implicit in stopping Iran, why not just call it a day, and let them have what they want? Couldn’t the threat be countered in other ways, other than a military strike? Couldn’t we just point a bunch of nuclear-tipped missiles at Iran and say that if they, or their proxy, ever use a nuclear weapon, then the retaliation against them would be massive. Wouldn’t the prospect of such retaliation be enough to keep a nuclear Iran in check, as was the case between the Soviet Union and the U.S. during the cold war?

So what is so wrong in allowing Iran to go nuclear? In my view, the greatest threat with regard to a nuclear Iran is her ideological posture. The Mullahs in Iran came into power as a result of a relatively recent political and religious revolution. Ayatollah Khomeini decried the secular leanings of the Shah, and ushered in a renewed commitment to the religious traditions of the past. Shiite Islam would now be the law of the land, and a new foreign and domestic policy would take hold, which is more consistent with the religious tenets of those in power.

Religious zeal is precisely what’s wrong with a nuclear Iran. Once you put a heavy dose of religiosity into the mix, then all the restraints of rational thinking go out the window, especially under the right circumstances. Imagine if you will, an extremist group blowing up the Dome of the Rock in Jerusalem, and Israel being blamed for it. Under these circumstances, will any measure of rationality be able to control Iran’s often stated commitment to destroy Israel, and pushing the button to make that happen? If purely rational considerations were on the table, then prudence and restraint would probably win out. But with religious ideological conviction at play, no one could be sure that reason will prevail, and at the end of the day, the existential risk of nuclear war may be a risk that is too great to take.

It is true, as others have often said, that other nuclear nations are ideological as well. It can certainly be said that Israel is ideological about her right to survive. In the war of 1973, for example, when her survival was on the line and in question, there was talk of using the nuclear option, and thank God, that talk did not result in taking such action. But as ideological as Israel is about certain things, like the survival of the Jewish people, she is not ideological religiously. She wants to retain her Jewish character, but she is not particularly interested in spreading Judaism throughout the region. The same cannot be said about Iran, which is very interested in spreading her brand of Islam, and her version of real politick, and is not averse to using terrorist proxies like Hamas and Hezbollah to do so.

So bottom line, arguments can certainly be made, based on the equities of the moment, for allowing Iran to fulfill her national aspiration of becoming a nuclear power. And a great risk of reprisal will be taken by any nation, be it Israel or the U.S., which undertakes military action against Iran’s nuclear facilities. However, given the religious ideological conviction that motivates at least some of Iran’s leadership, the risk of a nuclear Iran may be a risk too great to take, by any and all of the actors in the region: by Israel, by the U.S., by the other nations of the region, and even by the Iranian people themselves. Sometimes, the unimaginable becomes possible, and the possible becomes real. It takes only a little imagination to imagine a nuclear Iran making the impossible real.

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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
IRAN as all countries in the world is only one nut away from causing chaos to the world and are no better or worse than any
If Iran wants to be nuclear then that should be their decision and not countries whose past is on shaky ground
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Wayne, I don’t really agree that every country is the same, or as you put it, ”...one nut away from causing chaos in the world...”

Some countries make more sense than others. Most people around the world are quite sensible. However, leadership is not always in sync with the will of the people. And religious leaders, who hold political power, can be quite extreme, because for some of them, their belief is what is important, even more important than the welfare of their people. Some leaders believe in what they want to believe, and for them, the truth is just a side issue.

A lot of people use the moral relativism approach to say that there is little difference between one nation and another. But I don’t think this is the case, especially when it comes to religious fanaticsm.
(Global Perspectives)
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Nissim
I hear and respect what your saying and see your logic ,but we humans are all the same species and are all open to craziness
My point was that the people judging are no better than the ones they judge and don’t forget the USA is the only country that has experience in dropping the boom
Take care and may logic and a calm head rule the day
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I agree, Wayne, that we’re ”...all open to craziness...” However, some political systems guard against craziness more effectively than others.

The U.S. system, based on a series of checks and balances, is usually effective in keeping an abuse of power in check. We have the Watergate Scandal, for example, but we also have impeachment proceedings.

With religious regimes, this is often not the case. There is often no check and balance to curb extremist thinking. How can you keep in check ”the will of God?”

As for dropping the bomb, yes, the U.S. was the first to do so. However, it can honestly be said that the U.S. was fighting in self-defense, against the aggression of Japan, Germany, and Italy. As part of this effort, it was calculated that dropping the bomb helped to save millions of lives on both sides of the conflict. And after the war, The Marshall Plan proved, in my opinion, that the U.S. was not out to conquer the world, but rather, to invest in its collective prosperity.

We need a Marshall Plan in our time, and that happens to be my approach to world peace, which you are welcome to study on my website www.sellingavisionofhope.org

As always, it is a pleasure to speak with you, and I do respect your opinions as well.
(Global Perspectives)
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Andy
Liverpool, United Kingdom
Pakistan already has the bomb and they're basically a terrorist state already. At least Iran is stable...
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Muhammad
Islamabad, Pakistan
Who told you that pakistan is a terrorist state. people like you form opinions on the basis of biased media. its not the whole country but just a samll area that is occupied by the extremists.
(Global Perspectives)
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Robert
San Francisco, United States
This is like the monkey with the pearl necklace
(Global Perspectives)
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Khalid
Al-Manamah, Bahrain
Israel has the right to have it, and they're worse than Iran when it comes to human rights.

Pakistan has it for decades already, went through few wars with India and never used anything

On the other hand we do have a record of the U.S using it
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Israel’s treatment of its own citizens, including its 20% Arab population, is not perfect, but is much less repressive than that of Iran. When it comes to self-defense against outside forces, and populations, there it is a mixed bag with regard to human rights, but such is often the case during war.

Pakistan’s story is still in the making. There are considerable fears that nuclear weapons could fall into the hands of extremists groups like the Taliban, or Al Qaeda. If this were to happen, a series of events could easily come together to bring about a nuclear holocaust. I don’t have to tell you that nuclear weapons are a game changer when it comes to the destiny of man. All it takes is a few stupid decisions to bring our precarious extistnce here to a quick dead end. We should think twice, and even three times, before allowing the proliferation of nuclear weapons, especially to regimes that have made it clear that the prospect of Armageddon is within the realm of possibility for them.

The U.S. did drop the bomb, in a war which she did not initiate, and in an effort to bring the war to a quick end, thus saving several million lives, after which she used the Marshall Plan to invest in the prosperity of her enemies. That history speaks volumes about U.S. intentions, as opposed to some of these extremists we are dealing with.
(Global Perspectives)
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Matt
Columbia, United States
1 nuke, do you really think there going to send a nuke at us or any of the other countries with hundreds if not thousands of them, 1 nuke will only take out about 2 square miles.. they would do very little, but start a battle that would be very bad for them..

It's like you walking into a police station with a BB gun that looked like a glock and shooting at the cops.. sure you may take out one cops eye with it and injure a few more.. but your going to go down hard.... very dumb idea!
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Lisa
Rochester, United States
I don't see why we don't just let them have a nuke of their own. After all we have over 5,000 nukes of our own. If Iran were to nuke anyone they would not exist the next day I can guarantee that because there are subs offshore that are equipped with nukes that will wipe them out. It would be foolish of them to use a nuke or try to attempt to use it as a bargaining tool because they have no chance.
(Global Perspectives)
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Your analysis makes sense, but religious fanaticism often doesn’t. Some people have a different view of death than you do. You have to make sure that their misguided views don’t determine your fate. Some people are not interested in making sense of their lives. They would prefer to believe in what they want to believe, and for them, the truth is just a side issue.
(Global Perspectives)
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Nathaniel
Liverpool, United Kingdom
I guess if the US recognizes Iran's nuclear program and helps Iran in building it's nuclear reactors and making sure it's not for military use (which there is no evidence that it really is) and stops listening to Israel that Iran is evil and stuff, the two countries could be good friends and all the violence in the middle east could be stopped.
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Nissim
I like your logic but differ in many ways
No country stayed stable throughout all their history
Nissim nice talking to you and nice that we can agree to disagree- with respect
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The ability and inclination to talk to one another with respect and dignity is already a step in the right direction. We don’t have to agree on everything, but in my experience, if we both use our common sense, then chances are good that we will find common ground.

I believe that a lot of what divides people is downright nonsense. Instead of believing what we want to believe, it may well be time to start believing in what makes sense. Instead of jumping to false belief and then rationalizing why we’re right, why not use rationality in the first place to arrive at what is worth believing in?

For me, the issue with regard to a nuclear Iran is not that she will automatically use such a weapon. Rather, because of her ideological leanings, the risk is there that under the right circumstances she may feel compelled to let go of rationality in favor of religious belief. If, for example, the mullahs feel that their hold on power is being threatened somehow, would they move one step closer to pushing the button? The question is whether the world is ready to accept such a risk, or whether the risk should be taken to avert such a possibility even before it is allowed to transpire.
(Global Perspectives)
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Nissim
Logic or common sence doesn’t run a straight line and very few people consciously think about theses things until it is too late
I agree you have good sence but in the world there are too few to make a difference
There wasn’t millions saved by dropping the bomb and i could write for hours why that statement is wrong
I will leave you to your reasoning and me mind with the knowing each won’t wish anything bad on the other for their researched beliefs
Respect–wayne
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Wayne, ordinarily I would agree with you that few people think about common sense, and that it seems, most times, that ”...there are too few to make a difference.” This explains why we keep getting ourselves in trouble, over and over again, and why the destiny of man seems to be approaching a climactic resolution of sorts.

So maybe there is little hope of turning things around. However, the fact that you and I are talking about such things is one ray of hope. But also, it seems to me that the problems we face are of such a nature that these same problems will force us into a new and more hopeful future, even despite ourselves.

Yes, there are no guarantees, and judging by past performance we have a good chance of doing ourselves in. However, there is also a chance, that in our attempt to deal with these impending crises, that we will actually reach the next phase of human development.

Look as what’s on the table: an economic crisis, a threat to the environment, and looming threats posed by ideological extremists.

If we look at these problems as a whole, the only answer I see is Selling a Vision of Hope, by which we pick up the tattered pieces of our nations’ fabric, and weave them together in a stronger and more sustainable way:

1. Use an Ideology of Common Sense, a new framework for rational discourse, to speak to one another with common sense and with a sense of personal dignity.

2. Invest in one another to creat jobs: jobs which grow our economies, jobs which protect our environment, and jobs which help to neutralize the hold of extremist thinking.

3. Use ideology and investment to sell one another on a vision of hope, a vision of peace, prosperity, and freedom.

4. Sustain the hope by launching a series of public diplomacy programs which are specifically designed to prop the vision up and to carry it forward.

5. And when necessary, and it will be necessary, fight against the forces of extremism, and fight hard, but also position the fight within a vision of hope. Lift the fight on the ground to a higher moral plain by giving the fight a moral clarity of purpose. People will fight harder once they know what they’re fighting for. We are not fighting a ”war against terror.” We are fighing a war to realize a vision of hope. There’s a big difference. We are not fighting simply to ”protect the environment.” We are fighting, quite literally, for our lives.

As you suggest, some of this may seem, at first blush, to be impossible. But as I am fond of saying, this may well be the time, before time runs out, to dream the impossible, and to make the impossible come true.
(Global Perspectives)
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Nissim
I agree -if people like you and i had a problem we could do some giving and taking to solve our problem to suite both parties needs
Why is this? because you and i see the need for compromise and sometimes change
It is common sence
You wrote a very well thought out article on common sence to save humans
Nissim you know and i know that is impossible because of the religions hold on peoples dizzy minds and they don’t care about live on earth
It is nice people care like you do about our species but i don’t think you understand the power of nature and the need for humans to fight for the strongest gens
I see and feel your concern for all humans and feel bad you will fall to the wasteland of hope like all others that tried to fight nature
Sorry for being negative but truth is seldom liked but is always right
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Truth is funny sometimes, Wayne. The more you think you’ve found it, the more it eludes you. People cling to their religious beliefs because they think they’ve found the truth. But the harder they cling to false belief, the faster they see the truth slipping away.

You speak about nature, as if nature has somehow brought us to this precarious point. I don’t look at nature that way. I see nature as sustaining our stay here on this good earth for some two million years. The cavemen didn’t understand much about the world they inhabited, but they knew how to make sense of it using their God given common sense.

We may think that the brutishness we see swirling around us today dates back to the brutishness of the cavemen. But actually, as documented on the Discovery Channel in a documentary called The Rise of Man, the cavemen were actually quite kind to one another. The Golden Rule, ”Treat others as you would have them treat you,” came rather naturally to them, and they took care of one another in countless ways.

It is only relatively recently, with the advent of civilization, some 10,000 years ago, that we began to lose sight of what makes sense, as we began to go at each other’s throats.

And in the last 20 years, with the advent of globalization, including the internet, we have the possibility of coming together economically, and technologically, and ideologically, so that each person on earth is given a place at the table, a stake in his or her future. Is that where we’re heading, or will we allow our technology and our beliefs and our smart ideas to be used against us in death, destruction, and despair?

I may end up falling ”...to the wasteland of hope...” as you suggest. But I consider myself to be a good ”salesman,” and I intend to do what I can to sell a Vision of Hope. It won’t be easy, and I can certainly use some help in this regard, but I intend to go down with a bang, not a wimper, as the poem says.
(Global Perspectives)
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Nissim
You know i find your common sence very good ,but it is too far ahead of it’s time
I hope you can make a difference, but as for me i understand the workings of dizzy humans and wouldn’t waste my short time on earth battling humans that live by superstitions and gods that were forced on them at a young age
Your ideas are great and workable to logic ,but remember emotion and the forming of minds at a young age rule the world
The drive for the strongest gens is what nature demands and we are the result of the ongoing churning
Borders and flags and the the drive to be on top won’t change until nature accomplishes whatever it is it wants from us dizzy human
Nissim always nice talking to you
You are a dreamer and i a realest which makes for a poor mix–WAYNE
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Wayne, I enjoy talking to you as well.

You say that I’m a ”dreamer” and that you’re a ”realist.”

I say that the reality we’ve created calls for dreamers. We have no choice. The writing is on the wall. We’re either make sense of our lives, or we’re going down. It’s that simple.

So therefore, while you’re right to point to such things as ”...the workings of dizzy humans...”, or emotions, or the ”...forming of minds at a young age...”, or the drive for the ”...strongest genes,” or the ”...borders and flags,”.... while all of that is right on point in terms of the mess we’ve created, still, since the road we’re taking leads to a dark and desolate place, it makes sense to dream, and to work against all odds to make the dreams come true. This quest must become the new reality of our time.

In other words, given the dark reality we find ourselves, it becomes both realistic and necessary to dream, and to do something about it. If we don’t, then we have no one to blame but ourselves for whatever fate awaits us.
(Global Perspectives)
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Wonda L
Earth, Canada
Nissim
Hope your having a great day
I agree as to what your dream is and if the world was run by logic no doubt it would work
Dreams are by nature not attainable and only live in the heads of the dreamer
I wouldn’t want to stop anyone from dreaming and the ones that dream of good for all human i wish the best
Nissim, i don’t think you realize how much farther ahead you are in common sence than most and to think that there is enough like you under the influence of religon and borers and flags is dreaming and setting yourself up for a lot of hurt and disappointment
Life as a realist may sound cruel and without feelings but the world around me that emotion deals out it’s judgements is a hundred times more cruel and dizzy
Nissim
Some humans have an overwhelming drive to do certain thing and although i think your wasting your youth on the unchangeable i can’t fault you from following your dna instinctive drive
Nissim
You and i with minds formed in different ways can talk back and forth but both realizing conversation to a formed mind is rhetorical
The earth could use more logic like yours–wayne
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